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Post by chazz on Feb 3, 2010 16:35:24 GMT
I've alway thought Carina wore an interesting choice of apparel but I recently came across THIS...
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Post by manta_ray on Feb 4, 2010 5:08:33 GMT
That must be an old photo. Taken at the Oxford Zodiac?
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Post by chazz on Feb 4, 2010 8:46:59 GMT
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Post by jce on Feb 4, 2010 12:47:45 GMT
I dont think it is. She has played the Oxford Zodiac (long since closed) twice as far as i recall; 6 Oct 01 as part of the Acoustic Roadworks tour. That was in the upstairs room and she was accompanied by Smudge on bass and a drummer. I'm pretty certain that she wore blue jeans that night and played a white electric guitar (despite the name of the tour!) - but that photo doesnt have any other band members in it and i'm quite sure about her wearing jeans 26 Jan 04 on the Disconnection tour when there was a full band - Smudge, Tom and John and that gig was in the downstairs room. I saw both gigs and do have a video of the whole 04 show somewhere. The Zodiac logo behind her from my memory wasnt at the back of either stage, but on one of the side walls in the upstairs room. If you compare some of the other 2001 tour photos her hair is quiet different - this photo looks before then? Looks similar to the 99 Miles Hunt tour photos Maybe she played the Zodiac before 2001? She certainly did some acoustic gigs out of the Birmingham area in 96/97 as there is that Sheffield live tape - I'm wondering is this is from around that time? It does look like a pre band show I cant recall another other UK venues called the Zodiac and that looks remarkably like the Oxford Zodiac logo.
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Post by chazz on Feb 5, 2010 4:20:39 GMT
When I first saw the photo, my initial impression was 2000 or earlier but I checked your listings and it certainly wasn't the 2004 date so I went with the only other Zodiac date. As for no band, while it looks like there isn't one, I presumed they simply weren't in the shot. Are you sure she played the white Strat the entire 2001 show? Other pics from 2001 show both the acoustic and the Strat. I don't think her hair looks too much unlike 2001 but I do see what you mean. It looks more like an earlier style. Based on other 2001 pics, jeans look like her pants of choice for that time period. And the pants in the pic above do look like the pair seen in some shots with Miles Hunt (which I just noticed because I always thought it was a long dress). Because of the pics below, I'm convinced the photo above is earlier than 2001. Presumably 1999 Presumably 1998 Which brings me back to my initial question... What about the pants? By chance, was this a style in the UK during that time?
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Post by jce on Feb 5, 2010 14:35:55 GMT
I'm still sure that that photo is a no band shot cause Smudge almost always plays to Carinas left and just behind her which would put him in that photo (if he was there).
I just relistened to the whole of the Oxford 01 gig and she does play the acoustic all the time - no electric! So much for my memory on that one. LOL. I havent listened to a Carina gig for a while and i now remember just how good she used to be live - and what a great setlist! Paris is still my favourite but the rarely played Ribbons is beautiful
Of note is that whilst On Leaving was played as the last song it clearly wasnt the plan, until one of the (very few) people in the audience called out for it. I'm guessing that Let It Fall was the planned song. Listening brought back my memories of that show - it was incredibly cold in the venue and there were no more than 10 people watching Carina, most of whom she sprayed with water for some reason from her obligatory on stage water bottle
As for the pants - well i think that was certainly a Carina fashion statement as opposed to a general fashion trend and looking at those two photos you've shown i'd say that they are one and the same pair of trousers (as Brits prefer to call them - pants are underwear ;-) And thats a whole different subject
BTW - The Monarch was in London, which seems missing from the listings
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Post by chrisquartly on Feb 5, 2010 16:21:24 GMT
If that's the Zodiac then it's the old downstairs stage (capacity of, not much, maybe 200).
Technically, although the 02 academy now, the upstairs stage (which used to be the main stage, and has changed very little) is still known as the zodiac stage, she played there supporting the Gutter Twins a couple of years ago. The old logo might even still be upstairs in the same place, or maybe I'm just picturing it. But that's definitely not the main stage of the old zodiac.
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Post by kelvyn on Feb 5, 2010 21:41:08 GMT
looks like she's with miles hunt?
four to the floor, maybe
kel
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Post by chazz on Feb 6, 2010 5:31:50 GMT
I'm still sure that that photo is a no band shot cause Smudge almost always plays to Carinas left and just behind her which would put him in that photo (if he was there). To me, it looks like no band but since the stage set up did differ occasionally, I didn't necessarily use it as a dating criteria. I havent listened to a Carina gig for a while and i now remember just how good she used to be live Yeah, I'm quite jealous of UK fans who were able to see her early shows. I didn't learn of Carina until early 2004 after the release of The Disconnection and didn't manage to see her live until 2007. Even then, I was late and missed the actual show but the personal performance she gave me was well worth the wait. If I hadn't missed the show, the personal performance never would have happened. I saw the Things You Should Know release show last year but, while great, that was clearly a departure from a typical Carina show. I also saw the NYC show last June with just Zac Rae and Dan Burns but I'm sure even that wasn't like her early shows. and what a great setlist! Paris is still my favourite but the rarely played Ribbons is beautiful You don't have "Ribbons" listed in your original setlist. Was it played at this show? As for the pants - well i think that was certainly a Carina fashion statement as opposed to a general fashion trend and looking at those two photos you've shown i'd say that they are one and the same pair Does no one but me see them as a poor fashion choice? Maybe it's just a US thing but, here, wisecrack jokes would abound. ...trousers (as Brits prefer to call them - pants are underwear ;-) I knew that applied to mens' attire but didn't know if it was the same for women. BTW - The Monarch was in London, which seems missing from the listings You had a Monarch show listed in 1998 of your original listings (at bottom of page). I put that photo under that listing.
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Post by jce on Feb 7, 2010 14:41:25 GMT
No idea why i wrote Ribbons when i was referring to Lightbulb song? To clarify the CD i have of the recording of the whole Oxford 01 show is the waves, monument, lightbulb song, paris, how i see it, on leaving. Of note is that she introduced "How i see it" as "Not how i see it" and often did but the offical album release doesnt have the "not" at the front? I often wondered what the proper title is The Ribbons reference might be cause whilst i was checking my collection to listen to that show i found a CD i put together a long time ago called "the lost first album" containing 14 tracks of early studio material that never got released and there is an early version of Ribbons on it - the only one of the 14 that did see some sort of release. As for the trousers - indeed i think a very poor sartorial choice, but not the worst i've seen her wear - by far! She was still then (maybe still now?) looking for "her" style. To me they look like an old pair of curtains. I always went to see her for her vocal qualities rather than her attire or appearance (or even temperament or personality) As for live now against live then - i think she was certainly far far better before Slow Motion Addict. She lost a lot of the original UK fans when that came out and played the first UK shows showcasing the album - i saw several walk out half way through the first show of the new material and even more at the home town gig at the Little Civic! In my opinion the various SMA demos i have are way better than the final versions that came out - much more like the first two albums. To me all of her albums have been over produced - i have pre produced versions of the first 3 albums and much prefer them to the offical released versions PS - i await the snotty email for daring to mention unreleased material in a public forum or even the fact that such items exist and that i possess them! BTW - The Monarch was definately in London - cant think why i missed that off the original listings
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Post by jce on Feb 7, 2010 14:48:27 GMT
i always thought that the downstairs was the main stage as the room was bigger than upstairs?? Bigger bands always played downstairs whilst newer bands were upstairs?? I'm also not convinced that that is the downstairs stage as it doesnt look very deep. You can see the wedges at the front and the back wall, and hardly room to fit a band??? i really must find the video i have of the 04 show that was downstairs to check as my memory might be playing tricks Nice to see the venue is still a music venue if not now named the same as everyone else around the UK - dont you just love branding! If that's the Zodiac then it's the old downstairs stage (capacity of, not much, maybe 200). Technically, although the 02 academy now, the upstairs stage (which used to be the main stage, and has changed very little) is still known as the zodiac stage, she played there supporting the Gutter Twins a couple of years ago. The old logo might even still be upstairs in the same place, or maybe I'm just picturing it. But that's definitely not the main stage of the old zodiac.
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Post by chrisquartly on Feb 9, 2010 10:56:30 GMT
Trust me (I'm from Oxford), the downstairs stage was the tiny one, the stage could barely fit a three-piece band. Upstairs was bigger. I'm guessing capacity-wise the old downstairs would probably hold 200-250 while upstairs could probably squeeze in 600 or so. They've actually flipped it around now, upstairs is pretty much how it was but downstairs is now a lot bigger, downstairs used to split between the small stage and limited dancefloor which led into another room in the back which was a cocktail bar (and a set of toilets on the opposite side of the room from the stage), they've now knocked all those rooms into one big room and the stage is where the cocktail bar used to be.
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Post by wsp72 on Feb 9, 2010 16:54:17 GMT
To me all of her albums have been over produced - i have pre produced versions of the first 3 albums and much prefer them to the offical released versions. ----- Wow, awesome you have that stuff! I love all her music but, do find myself listening to the older albums more often. Carina is a very dynamic artist. I wouldn't rule out that she releases a new cd much different than SMA or TYSK in the future. Does anyone know when hookah and Body shaped bruise were actually written/recorded? I'm not sure if they were just b-sides to the disconnection or actually the first blood mystery released at a later date. Also the alternate version of monument on the ladyfest 2003 compilation. Was this prior to the album version? The cd inlays don't offer any info. And gunshot??? Any info would be appreciated : ) Lastly, does anyone have a hq version of four to the floor? PLeeeeease....I have been searching endlessly. This sucks...I need I need
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Post by chazz on Feb 10, 2010 3:41:21 GMT
Any info would be appreciated : ) An extensive Carina Mediaography can be found at the link in my signature.
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Post by jce on Feb 15, 2010 13:57:28 GMT
nice to see that my memory is as sharp as it ever was :-) I think i only ever saw one gig downstairs - Carina in 2004 and on stage was Carina, John on drums, Smudge and Tom and there seemed to be enough room? Upstairs i saw a few gigs including the Carina Acoustic Roadworks gig As i recall about downstairs - the stage was at the right of room with the dressing room to the right of the stage with a strange round table - i think this was another bar?? I really must dig out the video of the 04 downstairs gig and have a look Trust me (I'm from Oxford), the downstairs stage was the tiny one, the stage could barely fit a three-piece band. Upstairs was bigger. I'm guessing capacity-wise the old downstairs would probably hold 200-250 while upstairs could probably squeeze in 600 or so. They've actually flipped it around now, upstairs is pretty much how it was but downstairs is now a lot bigger, downstairs used to split between the small stage and limited dancefloor which led into another room in the back which was a cocktail bar (and a set of toilets on the opposite side of the room from the stage), they've now knocked all those rooms into one big room and the stage is where the cocktail bar used to be.
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